Bill Holden : Air Force One and the Alien Connection

Bill Holden : Air Force One and the Alien Connection
A video interview with Bill Holden
Las Vegas, June 2007

Shot, edited and directed by Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryanhttp://www.projectcamelot.org/bill_holden_interview_transcript.html


Bill Holden: He says, ‘You're right, young man.' And I just wish that I knew then what I know now and to go ahead and ask the president some of the questions that I have today.

...And I think what it was ... Is the public ready to know about the UFO and ET phenomena. They wanted to see how we reacted.

... how the president of the United States was murdered by our own people and for three specific reasons that I believe. It was not Oswald. Oswald had nothing to do with it. He was the patsy.

...When I started the speaking tour, it was ‘Let the Truth be Known.' And that's how I feel about it. It should be known.

...Another time, another place, and I may have another encounter.

...All of a sudden ... This girl just had this beautiful real long red hair, and it is straight out, just like one of these things that you hold the electron thing over. It was straight up in the air and she's pointing up and she is screaming bloody murder. Going over the top of us is a craft that's the size of a football field, rectangular in shape, moving at slow speed toward Edwards Air Force Base.

...I turned to him and said, ‘Sir, I suggest you go back to your car and tell whoever told you to come here to stay out of my business, unless they've changed the Constitution and where it says I have the freedom of speech and the liberty and the right to go where I wanna go and do what I wanna do.'



Start of interview

Kerry Cassidy: So we're here with Bill Holden. And he flew on Air Force One with Kennedy.

Bill Holden: Yes.

K: And had conversations with him way back then about your ... well, about the visitation ... in some close way. Is that right?

B: [pause] Somewhat. And I can go ahead and give you a better description of what actually happened. I was stationed in the Wiesbaden Air Force Base in Germany. And this was June of 1963 and President Kennedy was on his way to do the Ich bin ein Berlinerspeech in Berlin.

And I had the pleasure of being one of the stewards on board, and greeted him that morning. And President Kennedy was one of these gentlemen, that he knew everyone, and so when he came onboard he knew who I was and he said, “Good morning, Airman Holden.” And I said, “Good morning, Mr. President.”

And that morning I had picked up a couple newspapers from the local newspapers, English editions, and there had been two UFOs spotted over the Autobahn and clear pictures, right on the front page. And so I had them sitting on the table and I'd asked him if he'd like some juice and coffee. And he said, “Juice would be fine, thank you.”

And by that time he looked down at the paper and saw what was there. And he looked up at me and said, “Well, what do you think?” And then I said, “What do you think, sir?” And he looked back at me and with that just phenomenal smile he said, “I asked you first.”

So I laughed about that and I said, “Well, sir, I'm an old southern boy from down in Georgia and my grandfather was a Methodist preacher there. For us to believe that we are the only intelligent beings in the world is unbelievable. So, yes, I believe that there is such a thing as other human species as well as UFOs.”

K: And what did he say?

B: He says, “You're right, young man.” And I just wish I knew then what I know now to have been able to go ahead and ask the president some of the questions that I have today.

K: Wonderful. So, did you have any other conversations with him as time went on?

B: Not really. As you know, we unfortunately lost him in November of 1963.

K: Right.

B: And the anniversary flight the following year, I was with his brother, Robert, and the Ford family, his wife, and some of the ... two of the children. And we went back and did the anniversary flight to the Ich bin ein Berliner and the actually went ... We had Princess Lee Radziville onboard ... and we had the opportunity to actually go see the Radziville estate in Poland.

K: Uh huh. And did you talk to Robert Kennedy about that?

B: No, I did not.

K: OK. So that was basically, kind of, that experience. So did you have ... I don't know what a person on Air Force One would have, in you position ... Was that a Top Secret clearance or was that any kind of clearance at all?

B: It was known as a Top Hat. It's above a Top Secret because you may hear something in conversation onboard the aircraft and whatever is said there, stays there.

K: OK.

B: And that's our responsibility.

K: OK. So the conversation between you and Kennedy ... You were kind of ... You've spoken about it since at conferences and so on. Was this, you know, a conscious decision of yours to come out, and ... ? Or was it because of that experience, or was it because of other experiences you had that made you come forward?

B: There were many other experiences that occurred as far as ... Three particular in my military career. One happened prior to meeting with President Kennedy and that was in August of 1962. And I was down in Zweibruken in Germany doing a swim meet down there. And it's a Canadian air base there. And I had won my event and I was guest of this Canadian Air Force pilot and his family at his house.

And during the course of the evening he says, “What are your plans tomorrow?” I said, “Well, I planned to ask your daughter if she'd show me around Zweibruken and just kind of tour the city.” He says, “Well, I understand that you're a jet mechanic.” I said, “Yes, I am.” He said, “How would you like to go fly tomorrow?” And I said, “Hmmm. Go fly or go on a tour with your daughter.” I looked at her and said, “I'm sorry. I want to go fly.”

K & B: [laughter]

B: So, we took off that next morning in one of the most phenomenal aircraft that I have ever had the pleasure of being in. And it was the F-104 Starfighter. And it was the fastest known aircraft to man at that time.

K: Uh huh.

B: During the course of our flight that morning, at about 10 o'clock position, I saw this weird-shaped craft to my left. And I said, “Bogey. Ten o'clock.” And “What is it?” He looked over and says, “Don't know. Let's go find out.” He hit the afterburner, which just launches you at mach speed and we took off to this. Now, here we are in the world's fastest aircraft and this aircraft ... this “aircraft” ... disappeared on us, it went away so fast.

K: Uh Huh.

B: Well, this was my actual true introduction to what cover-ups and everything else is about, both in the military and in the public.

K: Uh Huh.

B: And politically. When we got back we were met by a Commander and he said, “Who are you?” I identified myself. And he said, “What you saw today you haven't seen and do not discuss with anybody.”

K: Wow. OK.

B: And they put me in a car and took me back to the Captain's house. The Captain came in, like about four hours later. And he said, “Bill, whatever you do, do NOT say one word about this experience. It will hurt me. It will hurt everything that I'm about.” I said, “Sir, I won't say a word about this.” And I haven't until, you know, after many, many, many years, and out of the service in '77. And I first started speaking in 1995.

K: OK. So after that experience, did you know you had seen ... I don't know ... a UFO? In other words, did you have any idea what it was? Did you get a picture in your mind of what the craft looked like? Did they tell you ...

B: Oh ... It was ...

K: Was it a flying saucer?

B: It was indeed ... And this was right over the Rhine River. [shows drawing of saucer-shaped craft in sky above landscape]

K: So. Wow.

B: And we were like at about ... Oh, I'm gonna say at about 50,000 feet of altitude.

K: So there's no doubt about it. As far as the drawing's concerned, that's a flying saucer, as we colloquials call it.

B: And in the front page of the newspaper on that morning in June of '63, was this ... was something similar type aircraft [shows drawing of two saucer shaped craft with a bubble on top] and this was where ... the two that were seen over the Autobahn.

K: And this is in Germany.

B: Right. This is in Germany. This was outside of Wiesbaden, between Wiesbaden and Frankfurt. On the Autobahn.

K: And they put this in the newspaper?

B: Front page.

K: Wow.

B: Cover.

K: Very interesting.

B: Right.

K: So the Germans at that point were not ... I mean, I don't know what the article said, but they were not really keeping this a secret from the people at that point.

B: ... That's the uniqueness about the Europeans, the Mexicans, and other locations in the world.

K: Uh huh.

B: They have no problem in showing actual pictures of UFOs and experiences and telling about experiences. And it's front page. It's not page 96 ...

K: [laughs]

B: ... in the last section.

K: Yeah. It's not completely forbidden, then. And it's not a laughing matter necessarily, either.

B: Right.

K: Well that's ... that's great. So, moving forward in time, your next experience in the military. What would that be?

B: That would the summer of 1966, and I was stationed in Colorado Springs at Peterson Field. [ADC Command Aircrew, SAMS (Special Air Missions)]

K: OK.

B: And I was flying for the ADC [Air Defense Command] Commander and I was also providing support for the Air Force Academy.

K: So when you say that you were “flying” ... were you operating the aircraft? Or were you ...?

B: I wasn't a pilot. No.

K: You were ...

B: I was a Loadmaster and it was Special Air Missions and flight steward.

K: OK.

B: And so we took care of special missions that were either with high ranking officials, international dignitaries, or special missions that we were going on, such as this one. And we were taken into ... in fact I was taken in privately ... into a room and I met with an Air Force Lt. Colonel.

And at that point, he said, “This is a voluntary mission.” And I said, “Sir, I take every mission as a mission. You don't have to ask me would I like to go. You tell me, I'll go.” And so he went ahead and he had me sign a document that was a 20-year non-disclosure agreement, with full penalties, all the way up to going to prison and losing all rights.

K: And this was in what year?

B: 1966. It was the summer of '66.

K: OK.

B: And what he indicated was that I was going to be flying back to Andrews Air Force Base and I was going to be picking up high ranking military officials and high ranking scientific individuals. OK? So I agreed to everything and went ahead and planned the mission, got all the food and everything that would be required on the trip. Flew into Andrews Air Force Base. Spent the night. The next morning we loaded up early. And there was one Brigadier General. There were a couple of Colonels. And then the rest of the entourage were high ranking civilian engineers and scientists.

K: And did you know the names of these people?

B: No. No, I did not.

K: OK.

B: ... just. It wasn't something ...

K: Did you recognize them?

B: No, I did not.

K: OK.

B: From there we went to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio. We landed there and they went to what was called “the blue hanger.” Now, a lot of people know what the blue hanger is about. And it was where a lot of the reverse-engineering was being done on UFOs that were found in the late '40s that had crashed. There were...

K: Are you saying that you knew this at the time when ... In other words, when you were told that you were going to the blue hanger, it was general knowledge among the people that you worked with that that's what that was?

B: No, there was only a special few that knew what the blue hanger was about.

K: But you knew at the time?

B: I did not.

K: Oh ...

B: I learned later.

K: I see.

B: So... It was really unique. So from there we flew to Colorado Springs and where our base was and they went up to the Air Force Academy. They went up to Cheyenne Mountain, which was NORAD headquarters and where the Cheyenne Mountain complex and where all the early warning system and headquarters as far as for missions there. And then from there, we left and flew to White Sands in New Mexico. And we landed and all of us were put on a bus and to this day I still do not understand why we went along. OK?

K: So normally you would stay with the aircraft.

B: We would have stayed with the aircraft and stayed on the base.

K: OK.

B: This has happened both times that we, as an entire entourage, we were taken with the group. So anyway, we got on to a bus. The bus was blacked out in the area that we were sitting in. And basically this gentleman in - not in an Air Force uniform but in a khaki colored - with a special emblem (and I can't remember the emblem) on the left sleeve. And they were armed and they had a clipboard and each one of us had to show our military ID. And then we were checked off the list and then we were told to go ahead and sit down.

We traveled probably for about 45 minutes to an hour and then.... I was right up front and off to the right front seat there, so I could kind of see through to where the driver was and through the window there. But as far as the.... When we got there, we were stopped and I could see, like walls of a mountain, on the left side by the driver. And then a guard rail which was down. And then this guy got on board with another gentleman and walked through with a clipboard. And again all of us had to show our ID.

From that point we were driven on in and we stopped at this ... There was a line shack out there. We got off the bus and the entourage was escorted over to where there was a UFO on the ground. There were, like, two Quonset huts and another building, a runway, and we were inside a box canyon. And then ... from what I could see ... We weren't able to get right up with the entourage. The crew was held back. But basically what I was able to see was that there were two UFOs, in one-piece flight suits. They were probably about 5 feet tall, in coming to the other people around them.

K: OK. You mean there was one UFO and there were two extraterrestrials?

B: ETs. Correct.

K: OK. And they were wearing one-piece suits?

B: One-piece suits, light aluminum colored.

K: OK.

B: OK? Their skin was a pale color and as what is typified or called a Grayling is what they looked like.

K: OK.

B: The larger head, the large black eyes, small mouth, small nose, and ...

K: Is this what they would look like, or not?

[Bill picks up a brown sculpted head, a classic representation of a Gray.]

B: Surprisingly very much so, but the nose is more protruding here and the lips are fuller.

K: OK.

B: And then the other thing that (and there's an amazing story behind this piece ...), but as far as the back ... it's is very true to what the Graylings were like.

K: Hmm.

B: They have a musculature across the back like this. [runs fingers over back head of the sculpture]

K: OK.

B: And the... but very thin lips across here [touching mouth of sculpture]. Their arms ... very thin and the hands were long and thin. Now, I've been asked many times if there were four fingers or five fingers and I have to be absolutely honest, I've never known that. I never knew to look for that, didn't think about it. OK?

K: OK. So are you still on the bus at this time, or are you out ...

B: No, we're outside.

K: OK. But you're back from the group ...

B: We're back from the group.

K: But you can still see.

B: We could see. Yes.

K: OK. And was there any verbal introduction, or preamble to what you saw?

B: Not at all. Where we were put on this was the fact that... The way it went, we were not allowed to ever discuss the mission with any of the participants, OK? And basically [shows sketch of location, showing placement of buildings, craft, and people] when the crew was around, there was no conversation going on about what as going on at the site.

K: Were you shocked?

B: ... [thoughtful pause, big smile] Excited. Not shocked.

K: Really.

B: Excited.

K: OK.

B: Yeah.

K: Did any of the aliens exchange eye contact ... what you would consider to be eye contact with you?

B: No. Too far away.

K: Uh huh.

B: OK? But basically they were very, as I said, they were real thin, and long arms, long hands, longer neck... thin, and their heads were larger.

K: Uh huh. About how tall?

B: About five feet tall. OK?

K: OK.

B: But the thing that I saw was when they moved, they were very graceful.

K: Really?

B: Very graceful in their movement.

K: OK.

B: But that was ... that was a very unique ...

K: Did you sign a non-disclosure during that time? Was there non-disclosure within a certain length of time?

B: Twenty years.

K: Oh, that was the 20-year one.

B: Right.

K: OK.

B: OK?

K: OK. So we're past that time. You got past that time and you started speaking out. So this is another incident. Did anything else happen during that time?

B: Yes. Now, in the fall I was brought back in and briefed again by the same Lt. Colonel. And he said same drill, same scenario, sign the form. I did. And anyway, ended up back in Andrews Air Force Base and this time I'm expecting to see the same people again. [shakes head No] Totally, totally different crew. There's an Admiral. There's a Captain, which is the equivalent of full Colonel in the Air Force. This was basically an all-Navy group with, again, high ranking civilian engineers and scientists but none of the same crew. Totally different.

K: Hmm.

B: But, here again, we flew to Wright-Patterson. Here again they went to the blue hanger. We flew to Colorado Springs and they, again, went up into Cheyenne Mountain. And from there we went to Los Angeles and took off the next morning and we flew to Hawaii, landed at Hickham Air Force Base [Oahu] and we were told, “Have the airplane ready, we're leaving at midnight.” So we got everything ready, got some rest, back at the airplane, took off at midnight. We flew for somewhere around 3 hours and 45 minutes, to maybe 4 hours.

And we were flying in a C118, or what is the equivalent of a DC6. OK? A four-engine, propeller aircraft. And we landed. And I said, “Guys, we're back in Hawaii.” And they said, “What do you mean?” and I said, “There is nowhere out there that we can go fly for 3 hours, 45 minutes - 4 hours and land.” OK? Physically impossible in this airplane. I said, “Johnson Island is five and a half hours. Guam is much more. So. No, we're back in Hawaii somewhere.”

So, sure enough, again (which I still do not understand) we were all taken together. And we went out to ... We had breakfast and then we went out to the site that's right by the ocean on the west side (because the sun was coming up behind us) and we're looking to the west. And it's an observation deck and all of us are standing there.

And a little after 7 in the morning, about this time, this craft comes out of the water, from our left to our right, just goes SHEWWW [makes sound of fast movement] just like this, and then stops out there in front of us. Now, here again ... double elliptical saucer-shaped craft, but at the mid-beam on this there's a light going back and forth, like this [indicates left/right, back and forth movement] at the mid-beam on it.

K: OK.

B: OK? Pretty much equal, as far as in design, top and bottom. Double elliptical. Now, it sits out there and then almost instantaneously disappears. So everybody's excited about what they're seeing and everything. And about this time somebody yells, “It's back!” And it's now a little bit closer, about a hundred yards out, maybe 100, 200 feet off the water, and it then demonstrates ... as far as going up and down, side to side, cants left and right, and cants at an angle and goes right back into the water. Now, when he goes into the water – and when he came out of the water – there was no explosion or implosion as it went back in. And ...

K: So what was the size of this vehicle? Could you estimate?

B: Oh ... I'm gonna ... Hundred yards out, I'm gonna have to guess that this craft was somewhere around (and I'm guessing), I'm saying probably 50 to 60 feet overall length.

K: OK.

B: OK?

K: So it wasn't huge.

B: No. But what was amazing about this ... I had the opportunity later on to be able to meet the astronaut Gordon Cooper. And I had asked him about it and he said, “Bill, it's ... when you have electromagnetic propulsion there's a force field around it. It's like that craft is inside a sandwich, so that when it comes out of it and when it goes back in you're not gonna see the explosion or the implosion.” So that was one of the explanations I was trying to find out.

K: Now, was it your understanding that that was flown by extraterrestrial beings? Or was that one of ours?

B: My understanding was that it was ETs, still, at the time. Today... we have our own.

K: So it could have been one of ours.

B: I would say that it was probably a combination.

K: Oh really?

B: Yeah. In '66 it was all a matter of the evolvement that's been coming along all the way through. Gordon Cooper talks about the time that he was stationed out at Muroc, which is now Edwards Air Force Base. He was a Major at the time. And one actually landed and his crew was out there filming, brake testing and everything, with one of the craft. And they actually caught this craft landing and the door opening and closing, and then taking back off again.

K: So at this point you've seen ... You know, you've had some pretty amazing experiences, right?

B: Yes.

K: And in a certain sense ... You signed NDAs, but you didn't ... Did you have what was it considered to be a Top Secret or Beyond, or did this Top Hat clearance go across the board for you at this time?

B: No. That was only during presidential, and any time ... And that's one of the things ... When you're in presidential service and someone says they're flying on Air Force One, that is any aircraft that the president is actually flying on. It can be a helicopter, or it can be the Spirit of America which is 2600 [Spirit of America 2600: a Boeing 707, President Kennedy's Plane] ... So, it's ...

K: So, OK. So how, just briefly, could you explain to us ... I mean, you have to be highly, highly trusted, I imagine, to have the job that you had. Is this not true?

B: It required a full EBI, Extensive Background Investigation, to be on presidential air crew. It also required, as far as that for Top Secret. Now, any of the missions that I flew after the presidential, all the way through 1974, when I was stationed in Panama, I had a Top Secret clearance.

K: OK. So, were you a member of a certain armed forces?

B: Air Force.

K: Air Force.

B: Right.

K: And what was your title, your professional title under those circumstances?

B: I was a Loadmaster and Flight Steward, Special Air Missions.

K: That's what it's called ...

B: Right.

K: That was your title.

B: Right.

K: And did you change rank during that time?

B: I did. I went from Airman 2nd Class up to Staff Sergeant, on my last ... as far as my last encounter.

K: OK. And ... now, have you told us everything that happened to you in the military? Or do you have another one?

B: We have one more.

K: One more. OK. Because what I would like to know, after you tell me this, is whether or not you feel that you have ever been called in for psych evaluation [Bill starts laughing] or have been, you know, to your knowledge, mind-controlled or suddenly have been told to go see the doctor on a periodic, you know, admission.

B: Never.

K: Never. OK.

B: [shakes head No] Never.

K: OK. That's interesting.

B: In fact I had a clean bill of health when I left the Air Force.

K: OK.

B: Summer of 1971, I'm stationed at Patrick Air Force Base, Coco Beach, Florida. And I'm ... I always love to go down to the Indian River, and go fishing, and everything. So, it was a Friday afternoon and I was going down, and putting my gear out and everything. And threw my line out and just kind of stepped back ... And I'd like to preface this statement this way: I don't smoke. I don't drink. Never done drugs. [K laughs] And I'm the grandson of a Methodist preacher.

K: OK.

B: So I wasn't having my beer, I didn't have anything special as far as to, you know, put me out, but I kind of leaned back against the palm and the next thing I know, I'm on a pedestal table. I'm inside a craft. I'm looking up at a domed ceiling. I don't see any light fixtures. And I have three ETs to my left-hand side, two short, one taller. And I'm guessing about five feet tall and maybe three and a half to four feet tall. To my left.

K: Hmm.

B: And the only marking in the room is up on the ceiling is this brilliant, brilliant, bright blue placard with three gold stars on it. OK? Now ... Conversation, as far as that I'm going through is all telepathic and basically (this has happened to me twice now): Tell them to stop destroying Mother Earth. Tell them to learn to love one another. And thirdly, to take their mental and heart harmonics to a higher level. And it's been the same message to me both times.

K: OK. Were you afraid?

B: Surprisingly not. Surprisingly not.

K: Well you'd had more exposure before that encounter than most people.

B: Well, also, even the very first one, I wasn't afraid. I was excited, as I have been with all of these. And ...

K: So it didn't shock you and put you into any kind of, you know, altered state or, you know, conundrum, about your religious beliefs versus what you were seeing, and all that kind of thing? [Bill shakes head No]. You didn't have that kind of, sort of a break in your conscious mind ...

B: Not at all. Not at all. And the thing that I found through all of my experiences is that I've had a very open mind. I've been one that has been willing to learn and to share these experiences with others. Because when I started the speaking tour it was “Let the Truth be Known.” And that's how I feel about it. It should be known. And the thing that I had out of this experience was the fact that the ... I found an implant in my left arm [shows inside of left elbow] about right here.

K: Uh huh.

B: It's about ... not quite an inch long and about 3/8 of an inch wide.

K: OK.

B: You see where I'm pushing it up?

K: OK. So it's still there.

B: Yes. It's still there.

K: You never had it removed.

B: No. And the thing that ... I've been asked, “Why haven't you had that taken out?” I said, “I consider it a blessing that I have had these opportunities to be able to experience the UFO and the ET phenomena that I have seen. And in so doing, they felt it important enough that whatever this device is, that it is following me, OK? So maybe there is another time, another place, that I may have another encounter.”

K: Uh huh.

B: And it's like the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Richard Dreyfuss is there and you know all the experiences that he goes through. You know all the disbelief and everything that they talked about, but he says, “Let me go!” And that's what I've always said, “Beam me up, Scotty.”

[B & K laughing]

K: Oh, OK. OK.

B: So, I definitely don't have a problem with that.

K: Wonderful. OK. So, you've had these experiences in the military. Now, I'm assuming you've also had some civilian experiences ... just because of the way you're talking.

B: Yes.

K: OK. But, at this point, you left the military. Voluntarily?

B: No quite. We have one more ... that did not involve UFO and ET phenomena. But, while I was stationed in Panama at Howard Air Force Base in Southern Command, in the summer of 1973 we were called in, we got a briefing that we were going to be taking a civilian filming crew ... Because one of the astronauts, as they were returning, saw these hieroglyphics on the plains in Peru.

K: Uh huh.

B: So they wanted somebody to go up there and actually film them ... the Nazca Plain. And it's as the astronauts were returning that they saw this and they of course called it in and talked about it and in their debriefing they saw this. They saw this and they explained about it and took pictures of it. So, anyway, what they did was we went out with that crew and we had the pleasure of actually walking the Nazca Plain, physically being in the trench, 18 to 24 inches deep and seeing this phenomenal [shows still black and white shot of monkey glyph from Nazca Plain, then color shot of large-headed humanoid figure etched into vertical landscape] creation that they had done. And then also in this tour we were at Machu Picchu, Cuzco. We saw drawings on the walls of helmeted figures, craft, and stuff like this, that were dated aeons ago.

K: And this was part of your military duty?

B: Right.

K: Sounds like, you know, that you couldn't pay to get a better ...

B: [laughs] This was phenomenal.

K: [laughs]

B: Phenomenal. And then in Lima we were taken into this building. It was maybe 5,000 - 7,500 square feet in size. And on the floor, and on shelving and everything, were ... There were skeletons that were dated 20,000, 25,000 years ago. Now, you asked about religious beliefs and everything else. This is where you get into where the Bible, and we're talking about being taught about the Bible, and 6,000 years is what that Bible talks about.

OK. It talks about before Christ and when Christ comes and the 2,000 years after to where we are today. The Greeks are the only one that feel that there's another 1,000 years and it talks about in Genesis, “in the beginning,” “and man created .... And God created man,” and as far as Adam and Eve and all the evolution. So basically this raised a lot of questions, especially being raised as a grandson of a Methodist preacher and down in south Georgia, and looking at things.

K: You bet.

B: So I turned around and I looked at it and I wasn't disturbed by it. What I looked at was this ... is that the Bible ... and if I take it phonetically, it's “Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.” It tells us how to live, how to get along with each other. It's a chronological history of our mankind, all the way through to where we are today. That's what it's about. It's how we're supposed to live. It's how we're supposed to love each other and take care of one another. Not all the war and everything else that's going on.

Now, so here I'm looking at remains that are dated older. What have been found today now? We've found remains that are 80,000, 100,000 years old. We know about the dinosaurs being here millions, billions of years ago. OK? So how does it say as far as today, the Earth? OK? Many, many, many millions of years old. We've only been here for “this” period of time [holds his hands not very far apart]. All these other civilizations have been here before us.

K: In this sense, were you putting together in your own mind, with your own teachings that you got from, you know, your own religious background and so on, with what you have been shown ... and did you just create some sort of a bridge between them that made sense to you. And then I am assuming that you did some research since then ... so that this all comes together in a package. But at the time, were you given, you know, by the military for example, any instructions, or any ... Or in other words, did they say ... we were created by ETs, and so on and so forth?

B: No.

K: They didn't. They never, absolutely ...

B: No.

K: So when you showed .... When you were on these tours you were with others, right?

B: Right.

K: And did you talk to these other people?

B: I talked within my own crew.

K: OK.

B: Yes.

K: And what was the general consensus at that point? Were people blown away? Were they like you and relatively OK about everything? Was there a wide variance in reactions?

B: As anytime you get a group of people together, there's different opinions. OK? But what I found was that I had a spiritual feeling about it. I felt that there was a reason I shared that experience, that I was exposed to that experience. I still feel that today.

K: OK. But did you feel that the other people there were reacting ... In other words, were they buttoned down and careful not to show too much reaction because they were part of the group doing this sort of thing?

B: There was nothing that was ... “Oh my god!” Nothing like that.

K: They weren't falling over themselves in shock ...

B: No. No.

K: So they were on some level with you as being ...

B: It was an experience ... Here's what happened ... In the know ...

[overlapping voices]

B: Exactly.

K: OK. So you were taken here, you were shown around on this tour and nobody explained to you, “Hey, you're going to be going on a tour that's going to change your life,” or anything like that?

B: No. In fact, we were never told ... We were never told what the mission was about. We were just told that the mission was classified and as far as we had to sign the Non-disclosures.

K: Do you feel you were test subjects?

B: [broad smile] I don't know. I feel ... Here's what I think. I think that, back in the time ... When was the first time that we supposedly found out about UFOs in the United States? When?

K: Well, OK. 1947. Roswell was the general ...

B: Roswell was the notorious ...

K: But they were here before that.

B: Oh, yes. OK. Now here's the thing that happened. What was causing the crashes - because there was more than one. There were many crashes in the Four Corners. And what had happened was, up in the northwest corner of New Mexico, was a huge radar dome that was put up. And it was basically to protect the southwest corridor and to be early warning. Well, what happened was that every time that turned on, and as the UFOs flew through it, they were all of a sudden thrown kittywampus and everything and thrown out of control.

K: When was that built? Do you know?

B: That was built in probably the mid ‘40s ... '44, '45 ... probably after Pearl Harbor.

K: I see.

B: Yep.

K: OK. Well I understand that it is said that radar took down those UFOs.

B: It did.

K: OK. Did you have any exposure to actual crash teams? Did you go out on crash teams at all?

B: No. I was not, OK? In ...

K: Did you share stories with other people in the military who were?

B: No.

K: Have you talked to Clifford Stone, for example?

B: Ah ... probably at the conference, OK?

K: Not inside the military?

B: No. I was long gone out of the military before I ever spoke one word. It was long past my 20 years.

K: OK. So tell us why you came forward.

B: Ah .... I felt that it was important that the world know that UFOs and ETs are true. They are real.

K: So was there an incident ...

B: You asked the question, though. I want to go back to it.

K: All right.

B: Because you asked, were we a test. OK?

K: Uh huh.

B: You know what I think? I think that I can look back on that now, and the bases ... Because I've always been trying to figure out why were we taken along on both instances. And I think what it was ... Is the public ready to know about UFO and ET phenomena? They wanted to see how we reacted.

K: Well, you reacted very well. Why haven't they come forward? You know what I'm saying?

B: [sighs] Because that was one of the things that came out in the 50s, OK? And that's why...

K: But this was after the 50s. This is after Project Blue Book. They're still testing. They're still trying to find out. You had a great reaction. I don't know about your other, you know, fellow crewmen, so to speak. Any ideas why, since then?

B: Can we hold that question?

K: Sure.

B: Because if we can I want to walk you up to this ... Because in 1996 and 1997 I'll have your answer.

K: OK.

B: OK?

K: OK. So you're out of the military.

B: 1977. In 1978 I'm living in California and I'm up at Lancaster and I'm invited to go out for a tailgate party and we're going out to a place called Mars Hill which is out in the Mojave Desert, which is close to Edwards Air Force Base. And they said if you want to see crazy things at night you've gotta go here.

So we're all out here and we're having a barbecue and we're watching things. And about this time we had been commenting on some of the light formations and everything, the way the planes ... the craft were flying around and we're saying that's nothing that we made that can do that. And we're laughing about that.

And then all of a sudden this girl has just this beautiful real long red hair and it is straight out, like one of these things that you hold the electron thing over. It is straight up in the air and she is pointing up and she is screaming bloody murder. Going over the top of us is a craft that is the size of a football field, rectangular in shape, moving at slow speed toward Edwards Air Force Base, OK?

K: Incredible.

B: We bailed. We get out of there so fast it's not even funny, OK?

K: Did you feel the electromagnetics on yourself?

B: Did not. But the next morning I got up and I go into shave and I'm “Whoa!” I am like I have a big sunburn, anywhere there was exposed on me was just like a sunburn.

K: So you were living Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And you ARE Richard Dreyfuss.

[laughter]

K: Right?

B: What happened was that we of course told everybody, OK, and so of course I went down to my doctor and everything and he says ... And he checked as far as to make sure there wasn't any radiation. There was no encounter as far as radiation goes. And he said it looks like there's no skin damage, but where you were exposed give it a week and see if goes away. And sure enough, a week later everything is back to normal. But anywhere that was exposed it was just better than burnt red.

K: OK. Did you have a sense that that was one of ours or that was ...

B: Definitely not ours.

K: Uh huh.

B: Mothership, OK? And... President Eisenhower, in 1953 or '54, one of the two years, he's president-elect and he's out at... I believe he was out in Palm Springs and he was getting ready to play golf and all of a sudden he said, “I've got a toothache. I need to go see the dentist.” Now, instead of going like about 30 miles over to Riverside and to the Air Force base there and going to see the dentist there, he goes all the way to Edwards Air Force Base.

Now, history says that this is where he met the ETs and that an agreement was signed between the US and the ETs. And as far as that a mothership was seen coming in, there were a number of UFOs coming in, and that the base was literally shut down for 3 days. I have been able to find that the base was shut down for 3 days. I've been able to find in civilian records, newspaper accounts, and everything else, as far as those facts were validated.

K: OK.

B: I have never been able to find the base historian. I cannot find out if he's living or dead. He disappeared. I can't find him. Because there's a lot of information that's somewhere, OK?

K: OK

B: Now, from that point was where a number of experimentations took place and when you hear about the 10,000 cattle that were massacred, OK? And nobody could explain how all these different things happened to them, OK? Well, what happened was that it was laser testing, and it was everything from being mounted on helicopters, on jeeps, on trucks, on tanks and backpacks. And it was the only way they could test it without testing it on human beings. And that's what that was about.

When we get into where we were talking about reverse engineering on the craft that was brought in from the '47 crash at Roswell and other locations, this is where we get into the transistors. This is where we get into, ah ... electromagnetic propulsion.

K: But for our purposes, you've now told us about a civilian sighting that you had that were pretty outrageous.

B: Right.

K: Now, these people, were they friends of yours, were they also in the military, were they ex-military ...

B: No. This is local friends in the area.

K: And they were not military.

B: No, not at all.

K: You did not know them in the military.

B: No.

K: OK. So at this point you're pretty much an old hand at this. Right? I mean, for all intents and purposes, you've been around. So now, have you had other experiences since then?

B: Yes.

K: OK. [laughs] Do you want to tell us what those are?

B: OK. In the fall of 1991 I'm living in Silver Lakes in Helendale, California. And I'm driving home. And it's in the evening. It's a clear, clear night. And as far as there's no clouds that I can see as far as, until I turn off going into Silver Lakes off of old Route 66 between Victorville and Barstow, about half way. As I'm turning in I see this one little cloud across here [draws horizontally in air in front of him] and I see these large, kind of orange-colored orbs, not coming down from them, but going up into the clouds, OK? So I park and I watch this.

K: Uh huh.

B: Now I'm trying to judge how big these orbs are. Because I'm sitting in the car and I'm about a half a mile away from the site, and it's about the size of my thumb at that point. So, figure half a mile away the size of my thumb, how big is this orb? It's pretty big.

K: Right.

B: So, anyway, I see that. Now, in ...

K: So nothing happened.

B: Nothing happened. I just ...

K: No missing time ...

B: No missing time. I didn't go away. Just here it is. Now in 1993 I'm still living there and I'm leaving with my wife to go into Victorville to go out for a night's entertainment and everything. And I'm pulling out the project and all of a sudden I see this huge bright light in the sky and I'm thinking, “Oh my god, there's a plane exploded, or missile exploded,” and everything, whatever. But there's a huge light. And all of a sudden ... it doesn't go away ... it starts pulsing,. This light is going in and out like this [moves hands together and apart, back and forth]. And then so I take off and go on the Helendale Road, going out toward 395. And the thing is starting to move to the west. And I'm speeding up to 100 miles an hour and it's pulling away from me. And so it starts going like his [moves hand in zigzag through air] and it's getting faster and all of a sudden it just goes SHWWWW [makes sound of quick acceleration] just like that, and it's gone. Now ...

K: Your wife saw this at the same time?

B: Right. Now, at that point I called the sheriff's department. I called the FAA. I called Vandenberg, because Vandenberg is where they had the missile shoots and stuff like that. Vandenberg said there was no missile shoot. And it went on as far ... You know, I contacted everybody I could. And ...

K: Did any ot them say that they'd seen anything that had shown up on radar? That sort of thing?

B: [shakes head No] No. But as far as ... In the newspaper the next day they talked about.

K: OK.

B: They talked about the bright lights and everything. So...

K: So at this point had you started going to conferences and speaking out?

B: Interesting you should ask that. I had not even thought about talking about this.

K: OK.

B: OK? Till 1995 I get invited to a classified conference. They even change my name, give me tickets, different identification, and I fly into northern California and I'm taken to a place called the Alisal Ranch [Santa Ynez Valley, CA]. And it's a conference that later you'll find out was put on by the Rockefeller Foundation. Bob Dean was there.

K: Really?

B: Two KGB officers were there. There was a Russian pilot there, astronaut. There was the Lt. Colonel that his father owned the ranch in Roswell that found the stuff ... that kept some of the stuff and buried it. So that was brought out at the conference.

K: OK.

B: And when they brought out this one piece that had come off the craft ... It was like an I-beam, a miniature I-beam, very lightweight [measures size with fingers about 2” apart], and it had hieroglyphics on it. And we're talking about it and I said, “This looks familiar. There's something about this.” And sure enough, two of the characters matched the Phoenician Sanskrit. OK?

K: OK. That's an interesting link.

B: That was ... That was an interesting link that we looked at there. Uh ...

K: You didn't call up Zecharia Sitchin or anything to tell him what you'd seen, huh?

B: No, and in fact I don't know whether Zecharia was there or not. We had one of our own astronauts there. We had two Naval officers there. We had... Air Force officers there and a number of industrialists. But this thing was treated so classified. I thought that the president was going to be there. That's how much this was talked about.

K: OK. Well, so were there any Congress people there?

B: I don't know.

K: So, why do you think you were invited to this classified gathering? I mean, you'd already been in the know, you'd already been in the military. What was the purpose?

B: I think somebody knew that I had had some of these experiences ... from the military.

K: OK.

B: Because I hadn't gone public.

K: Right. Had you talked on the phone about this?

B: Nope.

K: What about surveillance? Do you think they had an eye on you ... electronically?

B: Not till later.

K: OK. Computers. Were they around in '95? I know they were around then.

B: No. I wasn't doing anything.

K: Nothing on computers.

B: No.

K: What was your civilian job at that point?

B: I worked for myself.

K: As?

B: I was a consultant. I was in real estate.

K: Uh huh.

B: But here's what was interesting. Is because in 1996 I went out and with a couple of friends drove around the Skunkworks, the Lockheed Skunkworks just outside of Helendale, two miles square.

K: Right.

B: And everybody talked about that ... “Oh it's just a radar testing facility,” and like that. And I said, “No, it's not.” There's something about this. And so I drove all the way around it and then we went into this one area. And outside the fence I found this rock [shows rock divided by straight line into brown and black coloring] and a bunch of other rocks that had been burnt with high temperatures. And you can see where this part right here, OK, you can see how that was in the dirt. [turns rock upside-down] Now picture this being in the dirt. And that's what as exposed and that's how much heat was on this rock. And this was in the mud. So... And this is in a circle that's about 36 feet in diameter, OK? And I have a picture I can show you where this little girl picking this rock up out of the mud, OK. And then these are around it. And then there were alkali deposits at six ... six or eight different points in the circle that were about this big around [holds arms out beyond body, curving to demonstrate a circle], and that if you actually stepped onto it, you would have gone down in it maybe about 18, 24, inches. It was like the ground was all broken loose right there. And so that was found right there by the site.

K: Uh huh.

B: Now, what was interesting about this was that this picture right here says: Trespass, Loitering forbidden by law. Trespassers are subject to prosecution. Private Property. No trespass. Lockheed Corporation. [shows picture of sign] Now, this is all the way around the complex that these signs are posted. Now we're driving around and this jeep pulls up there and it's got the armed security officers on it telling us to get out of there. And I said, “I'm on the civilian side and you're on that side. You can't tell me what to do.” So what was interesting about this was this. [shows pictures of landscape with antenna visible]. This is an antenna that's out there by the runway. Now, I called it a runway. [shows picture of round areas in ground] Now, this is the alkali that I'm talking about. And these deposits were like six spots around the circle.

K: OK

B: And as far as the hole that I was talking about. [shows picture of area] Because I stepped into this and this is how I knew that anywhere that kind of alkali are was that the ground underneath it had been disturbed.

K OK. You decided, somehow, some way, to come forward, OK?

B: Following ... following the conference at the Alisal Ranch was when I received a personal invite to go to Mesquite and talk at the international conference, the UFO conference.

K: So, OK, but did you know someone there? Why did they know to contact you?

B: They were at the Alisal conference. And this individual that puts on the conferences was ...

K: Really?

B: ... was there.

K: ... was one of the people there.

B: ... was one of the people there.

K: Very interesting.

[Bill Ryan, off screen]: Bob Brown.

B: Bob Brown. Yeah.

K: Wow. So Bob Brown is certainly in the know at this point.

B: Right. And so he had invited me to come to this conference. That was my introduction to public speaking, and going out and talking about UFO and ET phenomena, “Let the Truth be Known.”

K: OK. But did you at that point need convincing? Because Bob Brown ... You're at this ranch, you're talking to all these people. You meet Bob Dean. I assume you guys shared stories.

B: Oh, we knew each other from when we were stationed in Europe.

K: Oh really? Ah.

B: Because I was flying for General Gabriel Disoway and he was working ... He was the Command Sergeant Major for the Commander of USAMRID. OK?

K: OK. Well we just did an interview with him, so...

B: Oh, Bob is ... how is he doing?

K: He's wonderful. He's a beautiful man.

B: Please tell him I said hello, because I've lost contact with him.

[Bill Ryan, offscreen]: Would you like us to priovide you with his details?

B: Oh, I would love to know how to get ahold of him again.

K: Have you had any kind of threats ...?

B: One time only. I had come back from my, uh ... talk in San Diego and this was in 1996 I believe. It was either '96 or '97, and I'm living in Victorville. It had to be '97 because I'm living in Victorville. And, uh ... this black Ford pulls up in front. This guy about six feet two, all black, gets out of the car, comes up to the door, and I open the door and he says, “Mr. Holden?” and I said, “Yes.” And he said, “I highly suggest and recommend that you change your public speaking subject.”

I said, “Do you have a warrant for my arrest, or a presidential order, or something telling me that I can't speak publicly any more?” “No.” I said, “Sir, then I suggest you go back to your car and tell whoever told you to come here to stay out of my business unless they've changed the Constitution where it says I have the freedom of speech and the liberty and the right to go where I wanna go and do what I wanna do. OK?”

And he took a step toward me and at that time I pulled out something from behind my back and I said, “You have about 3 seconds to get to your car, and I'm serious.” So he turned around and I've never heard anything since then. But I have openly ... openly ... spoken about this and will continue to do so and anyone that would like to have me as a speaker, it's just a matter of contacting me. You can post my email and phone number and be able to do that.

K: OK. Well you're a brave man. Obviously they were not able to intimidate you. Have you ever talked to other presidents besides Kennedy?

B: No. I mean, I served with President Kennedy, President Johnson, President Nixon.

K: And neither Johnson, nor Nixon, you had no reason to talk ...

B: Never. Johnson was a horse's butt. And I was only with Nixon on the preflight to his China trip and then that was it. And I was out of the presidential.

K: OK. Do you tend to believe that Kennedy was murdered by, uh ... conspiracy?

B: I ... I will, uh, put it this way. Our president of this United States was murdered by our own people and for three specific reasons that I believe. It was not Oswald. Oswald had nothing to do with it. He was the patsy.

K: Right. And three reasons which were?

B: I'd rather hold that.

K: OK.

B: OK? I have an interview that I did with Colonel Gordon Cooper, USAF, NASA astronaut back on October the 22nd of '96. We had become very near, near friends. He was stationed, as an astronaut down in Cocoa Beach and I was stationed at Patrick. And my last mission was the Apollo 13 mission.

K: Really.

B: And I as working there, working with Special Air Missions, and also special events whenever they were doing a launch, and helping dignitaries.

K: Wonderful. Well ... So, he was a very interesting man.

B: Wonderful, wonderful man.

K: OK.

B: In 1997. This was November the 12th, of 1997. [holds up newspaper showing an ET wearing a Scottish bonnet] If you'll look up in the upper lefthand corner of the newspaper... And this is the Evening Gazette. This is the number one newspaper in the northwest of England. And this was talking about the conference. Now anywhere else in the United States they would never do a front page, even talk about UFOs, let alone give you a full page article. [shows article]

K: So this is in England.

B: This was in England in November of 1997.

K: And you went to speak, I'm assuming, as part of a conference? Or something else?

B: It was to speak in a number of locations. One was .... I spoke in Manchester. I spoke in Lytham St. Anne's, Blackpool, at Cardiff by the Sea in Wales, and then over in Dublin, Ireland.

K: OK. But why did they invite you?

B: Because they wanted the latest. At that time I was one of the latest subjects talking about UFO and ET phenomena.

K: I see. OK.

B: So ...

K: So they've got a picture there of you and your ... the carving or mask, whatever you want to call this. [film zooms in on Grey head sculpture]

B: OK. Now, the interesting story of our friend. This is Al the Alien and I was at, of all things, the state fair in Victorville and up on a shelf there were three of these heads. Now, one thing was that, upon looking at this, I found it to be rather unique that it was very close to what a true GrAyling was. So that whoever had made this head knew what he was doing. And what told me that was the fact that the musculature across the back of the skull was very true, and ...

K: OK but I'm going to interrupt you here because you told us that you've seen Grays ...

B: Yes

K: ... on a few occasions.

B: Yes.

K: But did you actually see the back of their head?

B: Yes

K: Or how do you know this?

B: Yes.

K: Oh, you did.

B: Yes. And that's why I said that the thing that's wrong about this was that the nose is too large. It was just a very small protrusion. And the mouth ...You don't have, really lips, but just a straight line, almost a straight line across.

K: OK.

B: .. And everything. But this was very unique. And somewhere on here, it may have worn off now. No. It says that this was done by L. Carr (C-a-r-r) was who did this.

K: Uh huh.

B: So ... very interesting.

K: Now do you feel like there is more to the story than what you've told us here? In other words ...

B: There's a lot more.

K: OK. And this is because you have personal experience with other things that you haven't brought up here? Or because you've done research?

B: Research. Research and talking to very knowledge people, engineers that are ... have been out, worked at Area 51, people who have worked in the tunnels... Huge tunnel system in the United States.

K: OK. And is this tunnel system set up, do you think, for anything approaching 2012, or do you think that these are areas where they simply have underground bases, that are doing reverse engineering, housing various ETs...

B: I think all of the above.

K: This has been wonderful. You are a wonderful speaker. I appreciate you coming here today to talk to Project Camelot.

B: My pleasure. Thank you.

A video interview with "Mr X", a former UFO archivist

Secret – Eyes Only
A video interview with "Mr X", a former UFO archivist
Landers, California, May 2006

Shot, edited and directed by Kerry Lynn Cassidy
http://www.projectcamelot.org/mr_x_interview_transcript.html


Bill: I'm Bill Ryan. I'm the author of the serpo.org website, which went online in the middle of November, 2005. And one of the features of the website was a contact form in which I encouraged visitors to the website to contact me with any information, comments, thoughts, questions that they might want to have. And of course my original intention was to encourage a dialogue about Serpo itself. But right from the start I was aware of the possibility that people might get in touch to talk about anything else, which of course I welcomed.Mr X and Bill Ryan

And one such here is the man that I'm talking to. It’s a very great pleasure. I'm not going to identify him, for obvious reasons. And he has a very interesting story to tell about his personal interaction with relics and documents and artifacts and films from a whole series of alien encounters, starting off with Roswell in 1947. And it became very clear that after this man contacted me just saying he had an interesting story to tell, and he told me one or two little details about that, I picked up that ball, recognizing there was something here of some considerable importance. It's got nothing to do with the Serpo story but it should be something that's of considerable interest to every serious student of Ufology.

(To Mr. X) And I wonder if I could just ask you to summarize your story just in a couple of sentences, just so the viewers here will get an idea of why it was that I immediately seized on what you had to say and saw that it was important.

Mr. X: (voice electronically disguised) Well, I had... my original contact had been that I had seen nothing in my experience that had to do with the Serpo story but that I had other information. And basically what that information was that I had spent six months at an aerospace company … I am not a military person. I never was a military person... I spent six months archiving and filing artifacts, videos, films, pictures and documents having to do with the government's involvement in UFO projects, research, and that sort of stuff.

Bill: And this was in which year? In the 1980s?

X: Yeah, ‘84, ‘85.

B: All right. And what did your job exactly entail? And what kind of material did you find yourself holding in your hands during that time?

X: Well, I was pretty much a file clerk with a security clearance [chuckles] and I was brought items each day. And sometimes they were to be divided up into different branches of service; sometimes they were to be divided up into classifications. Sometimes they were to be divided up as to what the content was inside them. Most of them were sealed. There were artifacts from crashed ships, there were disks from crashed ships. They were mostly pictures and documents from the US government, and all branches of the government, and also from aerospace companies.

Kerry Cassidy: Can you tell us what kinds of stamps these documents contained?

X: Stamps? Classification stamps? "Top secret". "Secret. Eyes only." Secret code words. A lot of them were only to be opened by authorized personnel. I mean, I worked in documentation so I knew the markings on documents and I knew what I should have been able to see in my regular line of work and, you know, things that were marked incorrectly I had to mark up and correct. So I was involved in that sort of stuff in my work. A lot of them were military that were not marked with any classification whatsoever, which to me was kind of odd, but that's the way part of them were, just sealed envelopes with no marking whatsoever.

K: What caught your eye the first time you came across this information, that actually sort of turned your head?

X: Ah, well, it's something that I had believed in for quite a long time and to be able to actually see proof, to me, was probably one of the best things that has ever happened to me. That's the way I felt about it.

B: I can really imagine that. And, since you started to come out with this information, one or two people have called you "Roswell Man". Is this just because of, I mean, was this material just from the Roswell crash or was it from other, let's say, interactions and time periods also?

X: Oh yeah, it was material for the back up, request for, and governing of, knowledge to do with, dealing with, extraterrestrials and vehicle crashes and recoveries and equipment recoveries. That sort of stuff. All kinds of stuff.

B: So in fact there was a whole cross-section of government/alien interaction between 1947 and...

X: ...the present date.

B: Wow. OK.

K: Now you mentioned that you noticed there were a number of crashes and you actually told us the number. Can you tell me, what was that number of crashes that has happened over the years?

X: Over fifty.

B: On American soil?

X: America and abroad.

B: Any idea of the number of different alien species that were involved in these crashes?

X: No. I can't remember, I can't recall, but I do remember coming across at least five different types.

B: And did you see photographs of these beings?

X: Four of them. Four different kinds.

B: Photographs of four different beings.

K: And could you describe them?

X: Well, there was... my favorite was always the tall orange ones which, in documentation, it was stated that they were the creators of what we call Grays, the kind of common gray alien with kind of a pointed chin. The orange ones were taller, thinner, had a more round face but still had the large eyes. Those were the two most prevalent. There was also another race that were almost like the Grays but were maybe a little bit more pale and a little bit more stocky, but the same type of size, almost cousins to Grays. Almost. And then there was talk and pictures of beings that look just like you and I, only they had white skin. Sort of like Mr. Ryan here, with the blue eyes. Lighter hair, though. Those were the ones that, from what I've been reading on the internet... I had never read documentation of this... that offered to save us if we disarmed our nuclear weapons and that sort of thing.

B: But you never saw it in documentation.

X: No I did not.

B: So, all right.

K: Was there documentation about the purpose behind the visits, the visitors? In other words, why they were here?

X: Yes, there was. It had to do with them fearing our nuclear capabilities and of both destroying ourselves and maybe other species out in space because we were getting awful close to space travel at that point.

B: And was this a hypothesis from the government or something that you read in the documentation or something as definitive as that?

X: This was definitively known through contact.

K: Did they explain how they communicated?

X: They were telepaths.

K: Telepathic?

X: Yes.

K: Did they reference remote viewing or, you know, how the humans were conducting that?

X: Correct. In being-to-human, telepathically, they would sit there, across, like you and I are sitting and I'd just have to look at you and you'd know what I want. We'd be communicating through our minds. That sort of stuff.

B: Did you have any kind of, any sense of, how many of those beings were, let's say, active guests of the American government in such a way that communication like that was possible? Was it just one or two?

X: Five to ten, as far as my knowledge. I think, in my opinion there was way more.

K: The documentation reflected five to ten?

X: Looking at documents, was evidence of five to ten.

K: OK.

B: What else did these aliens reveal about themselves in this ongoing dialogue with the American government?

X: That we are descendents of them. That we were actually put here on earth from their genetic material. That we are genetically engineered and put here and that we were one of their life breeds. That was one major thing that I read. Also, they also claim that they were the ones that were responsible for putting Jesus Christ on this earth to teach us spirituality and to get us to evolve past the greed and what the Bible calls sin. I just, I really don't know what it is. I just know that the human condition causes us to want to preserve ourselves. It causes greed and life survival skills and that sort of stuff.

B: And was that specifically mentioned in the documentation?

X: It was alluded to. I couldn't say that it was specifically spelled out that way, but it was alluded to.

K: What was alluded to?

X: The teaching of humankind to evolve to a higher plane, to where we would realize that we're all one species and we're of the same material, both energy and physical. And there's no need to fight wars with one another and there's no need to have currency... that sort of earthly stuff that we kind of pride ourselves on and get our identity from? Because according to them, they don't have that. They don't see their bodies like we see ours. It's not a possession to them, it's a vehicle.

K: Did you see any pictures?

X: Logical entities, ships, mostly flying ships, and a lot of them from far away but some did report some sightings that were labeled "hollow". A lot of Space Shuttle missions.

K: Photographs?

X: Yes, there were photographs, black and white for any older photographs.

K: Are there any particular photographs that come to mind that really stuck in your mind?

X: What I said in the other interview that I conducted was what struck me the most at first was that I saw pictures and this was labeled "Hawaii". It was from a typewriter, so they were pretty old pictures, they were black and white, of a ship entering or and/or going into the water but I could see no splash.

B: OK. Of a craft?

X: A saucer-shaped craft and all I could see of it was light. And it wasn't blurry, though. It was a pretty good photograph.

B: From what kind of range?

X: Five or six hundred yards, maybe a quarter of a mile away.

B: OK.

X: So on an 8 x 10, the disc was like two inches, two and a half inches. It was a pretty good shot. When I saw them, because I had never thought about that aspect of extraterrestrials, that they would even think to enter the water, or... Later on, thinking about it, it was like maybe that's where they came out of.

B: So water's just another fluid.

X: Just more dense than air.

B: Getting back to the aliens themselves.... was there any documentation about where these guys came from?

X: Documentation I saw jibed with the Serpo story about Zeta Reticuli.

B: Zeta Reticuli. All right. And no mention of any other star system or source?

X: No.

B: OK. And was there anything there that could be interpreted as being threatening to the human race or to individuals? For instance was there anything there about abductions or about complicity with any kind of control scenario over the populations?

X: Nothing whatsoever.

K: What about alien technology? Was there any indication that we were getting, you know, technological...

X: There was documentation on receiving items but not giving any manuals, that sort of stuff. Like here it is, look at it and check it out and this is what it does and here it is.

B: OK. Any recollection there about … in what realm that technology, anything... are we talking about …

X: I remember power source, but more communication.

B: What do you remember about that?

X: Nothing about weaponry. We were supplied no weapons.

B: What do you recall about the communication devices?

X: Not a lot. Just that there were just people trying to figure out how the things worked, not any indication about what it did or how far it reached.

B: What did you learn about the... at the risk of using the word in the incorrect context... the spiritual context of these aliens? Did you learn anything about the way that they related to, whether they had a spiritual soul as opposed to just...

X: Definitely they communicated to us that they were spiritual like we were, so they likened us to them or them to us in whatever context. And then they talked about recycling their bodies and not looking at their bodies as a possession. They looked at their bodies as a transportation device to get their soul from one place to another or to house their soul. It wasn't a sacred possession like it is here on earth with humanity.

B: It's like they're the driver of a car, and then when the car got...

X: Yeah, I would liken it to the driver of a car, but everybody has exactly the same car and there's an endless supply of them. You don't have to pay for it, you don't own it, it's not special, it's just there.

B: What would happen to these guys when their bodies die?

K: They didn't lose their memories? Is that right?

X: They didn't have death like we did. They did not forget. They knew before their body was going to die and they just went ahead and got a new one and their body pretty much was gone after they left. So it continued for them and they lived anywhere from 200 to 400 years.

B: Two to 400 years would be the duration of one life?

X: That's how it was worded according to our representatives here.

K: What about names of military or presidents at the time of the documentation?

X: I remember reading Truman and Eisenhower but no other.

K: So Truman and Eisenhower did know.

X: I saw evidence that they did know. I think that most presidents, if not all, from then on, do know. I don't know how much access they have but I think they know.

B: Was there anything that you read at that time in the 1980s that pertained to what then was in the future?

X: Yes. There was talk about them, what was described as a mass landing, in 2012 at the end of the year.

B: At the end of 2012?

X: A mass landing.

B: And that was a date that you read in the documentation?

K: And was that going to be something that the aliens were telling the Americans was going to happen? Or was it …

X: Well, they were telling them it was going to happen regardless of whether they wanted it to or not.

K: And was there a reason why they were choosing that year?

X: For a long time, I just think there were a lot of civilizations that were on this planet, maybe still are, but some that were and are not any more, that knew of that day and why it was so important.

B: So there's a sense of an inevitable future …

X: Yes.

B... that will be approaching.

X: Yes.

B: And this is documented. And right now we're not very many years away from there.

X: No, we're not. [chuckles]

B: How does that make you think and feel, given the experiences that you've had?

X: I welcome it because I don't think there's any, ah... any animosity toward us. I don't think … I think what's going to be more disturbing is how the government handles it, and how it handles citizens that maybe want to know more.

B: Do you have any observations or thoughts about how it's being handled at the moment?

X: Yeah. Very poorly.

B: Very poorly. So if you were in charge of the disclosure operation how would you do this?

X: If I had to start now that's a tough job. I think it would have been started a long time ago. I think that I would have started at Roswell and not pulled that newspaper article and not pulled that report from the radio. I would have let it continue. And I would have welcomed those qualified, you know, scientists and stuff, to come in and talk about this, so that we could, you know, do observation at first until there was more communication, that we had discovered beings and recovered beings that were alive … because there's several crashes where they were all mutilated and dead.

B: And of the beings that didn't survive, there were autopsies?

K: You actually saw some autopsy reports?

X: Yes, I did.

B: Do you remember what you read in those autopsy reports about their physiology and biology?

X: All I remember reading about is their blood being chlorophyll-based and them not eating, ingesting, as we do. They don't have stomachs, don't have waste material like we do in our traditional human. They're like a cross between like a plant and an animal and they gather their energy through absorbing minerals through their skin. And they use light for photosynthesis.

K: I was curious what your own personal experiences have been. Have you ever had any, let's say visitations, since you left the job, be they Men in Black and/or alien visitations?

X: Never seen a UFO in my life. I'm waiting! No sightings, no MIBs, no nothing. Well, I've never done any of this before … so … other than in the last two or three months talking with Mr. Ryan here.

K: All right. Well, thank you very much for being so honest and coming forward so amazingly forthrightly and we hope to hear more from you.

B: And this is a real service. You're a brave man. Thank you.

X: You're welcome.

Collier, Alex

(Collier, Alex )
& the Friendly Andromedans
Smarter than the Martians and much cooler than the Greys or
Reptoids, Alex's Andromedan Friends bring us Love and Light
Quick-Fried to a Crackly Crunch.

Alex Collier at the Star Family Conference, March 1997
Transcript © 1997 Leading Edge Research Group

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/collier.htm

Introduction

Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule and coming to hear what I have to say. When I talk, I don't like to talk in terms of re-hashing things that I have talked about for the last three or four years. So, with your permission, I would just like to move on to where I basically left off the last time. If you are looking for information, there is information on the internet. If you really want it, you can find it, because it's out there.

I wanted to talk about a couple things. I wanted to give you some history that has been shared with me. We're going to deal pretty much with Jehovah and Nibiru, and I also want to talk to you about the Hopi prophecy, as well as my own thoughts about the Hopi prophecy. I also wanted to read you information from Morenae and Vissaeus themselves.

I want to start out by saying that I haven't heard all the speakers here. I am sure they've all been great and have had something to contribute. In fact, all of you do as well. It's great to come to some of these things and see the same people. But, ladies and gentlemen, I am just going to be blatantly honest here. You know, some of you have stories to tell, and some of you need to get off your butts and start talking yourselves. Our planet needs leaders, and a lot of us have made huge investments, thinking that our politicians are going to be the leaders, and that they are going to do the right things. The joke is on us, literally. They have really help to screw things up, and our apathy has compounded the problem.

So, the next few years are going to be extremely challenging for all of us, especially here in the United States, and the true leadership of humanity is you. I am asking you to seriously consider doing something about it, and to stand up and take the leadership role. It's not about me. It's not about all the other speakers. We do this in the hope that you will want to take responsibility and do what we are doing. Keep passing the torch, so to speak.

The other thing I wanted to say is that a lot of folks just want to hear "love and light". They just want to hear how you're "going to be rescued", how you're going to be "saved", and how everybody is going to take care of everything so you don't have to do anything. If that is really where you're at, you really ought to leave now, because that is not the message that I have to deliver. There are both "good" and "bad". We live in a duality, and you have to take responsibility for both, and you have to live in the midst of both. The whole idea is to find balance, which is in the middle. We are all searching for that. Until we find it, we all have to participate.

A very wise man once said, "facts do not cease to exist, just because you choose to ignore them." To those of you who simply want to hear the "love and light", that's great, but you are out of balance. We need leadership and people with ideas on how to fix problems, starting with yourself, your family and the local level. The president and the UN can't sign a peace of paper and fix everything. It starts here at the local level, and it starts in the heart. Only you can do that. I can't change your mind; I can't even tell you what to think. You are going to have to want to change and open up your perception to find out what is really going on. This also includes having the courage to really want to know what is going on. Ok, that's my soapbox.

In the six months, pay attention to all the UFO activity that is going to be occurring on Greenland. The reason a lot of this will be going on is simply because many of the races will be entering and leaving at the polar areas.

I want to talk about Jehovah. There is a lot of talk about Jehovah, and this also relates to the Hopi prophecy in an indirect way. I want to say up front that there are huge risks involved with breaking apart belief systems, and just because something has been believed for thousands of years and has been taken for granted does not mean that it is based on fact.

We do not have to create or fulfill the book of revelations, or fulfill a Hopi prophecy wherein we all are extinguished. I truly do not understand that kind of belief system. Why believe in something and pull something to you that will take you all out? Now, the Andromedan message has been that we are royalty because of our genetics, which include both the extraterrestrial and the primate. We are extremely unique. Many races see us as a benefit and some see us as a threat. I'm not really clear why we represent a threat to some of them, other than prejudice and bigotry is there. I have been taught ever since I was a boy that prejudice is an extraterrestrial perspective. We were taught this type of behavior, and we have only continued to propagate it generation after generation. It has never served our race. Never. I do not understand why it continues to propagate.

The women who spoke before me talked about prejudice. The reality is that prejudice is big business in our society. It's all about money. Again, I come back to the point I made earlier, that you are the leaders, and you are going to have to stand up and take responsibility. I am not talking about "going out to save the world", but I am talking about families. Be a hero to your family, and to yourself.

Nobody can beat you up, or put you down unless they have your consent. Do you follow? You only have to consent, to believe that garbage. If you don't consent, then it isn't real. It's so simple and subtle that people don't see it. Our world is made up of a lot of subtleties. O.K. I'm going to read a little history here, and then we will move on.

Jehovah, one of the Elohim

The old testament "God" is an extraterrestrial. Is that simple enough? Does everybody get that? The new testament "God" is also an extraterrestrial. They are not one and the same. But, we are just going to deal with the one who the Hebrews call Jehovah. Now, the Andromedans have what we would interpret as a camera, which they use as they travel through space. They take "pictures" of moons, stars, and planets, and this "camera" records things holographically. Depending on the setting, it will also record the actual history of what they are aiming this device at.

They have taken many many pictures of our planet, and they have separated this holographic picture into time frames, where they can see and record actual events as they took place. I had a lot of questions about the old and new testaments, and about the person called Jesus. A lot of us have those questions. After all, how is it that a "loving a forgiving God" wants to throw us into an abyss for making mistakes? It's extremely dysfunctional, because fear of doing or not doing throws you into total inaction. Back to Jehovah. Now, the Hebrews are what is left of an ancient tribe of Chaldeans. The word Jehovah, in the original tongue, meant "Is, Was and Will Be". It never meant, at any time, "creator of all things". That meaning was added later. Now, the reason that he was named "Is, Was and Will Be", was that like many races of extraterrestrials, the Jehovah have an extremely long life span. They live thousands of years. The Andromedans, for example, live an average of 2,000 years. Some of them live more than 4,000 years.

The Chaldeans were the remnants of the Sumerians. Much of the Hebrew religion and the religion of the Sumerians are similar. The books of Moses do not suggest that Jehovah was the only "Lord of the Elohim" in the area. For some reason, people have just assumed that what they have been historically told by those in power is true. Abraham did consider Jehovah to be a "God" because of the technology of the Elohim that he possessed, and used to awe the primitive population. That's all they used -- technology. If you were to take somebody today who had a jukebox, a flashlight, a CD player and a computer, and you brought that person back to the time of the ancient Hebrews and ancient Egypt, that person would be considered a "God" because of the technology. Think about that. Technology was used to strike fear into the people, and they were made to worship to avoid punishment.

Many of the "Gods" did the same thing. Marduk, Enki, and En-lil were notorious for doing this. These extraterrestrial (manipulators) also created bigotry, because they each controlled their own groups of people, and each of their offspring procreated with the population of the Earth. [Val Valerian note: Since each of these beings were in competition with each other, earth humans relative to each group were set against each other over time]. According to Morenae and Vissaeus, our native American races are the remnants of the ancient Babylonians that were brought over here by Enki, just prior to the great "flood of Noah". According to the Andromedans, this "flood of Noah", as it is popularly known, was literally a result of the movement of the planet Earth from one rotational orbit to another within the solar system. This movement also added five days to our year.

The Magi

Many of the extraterrestrials who had offspring while here ["the sons of God married the daughters of men"] saw their offspring considered half-breeds, and the offspring were not allowed to leave the planet. According to Morenae and Vissaeus, the half-breed offspring were originally called Magi. The Magi. Now, much of the technology that the extraterrestrial parents did not chose to take with them when they left remained in the hands of the half-breed children. They were given this technology, and much of it has been passed down generation to generation.

Morenae has said that right now that one of the places on our planet that has the richest collection of extraterrestrial technology is Nigeria, and to my knowledge that is an area that hasn't really been touched by exploration. This technology was primarily based on sound, color and radionics.

The Magi interbreeding resulted in the cultures we today recognize as being called Israeli, Mayan, Celt, and Aryan. According to Morenae and Vissaeus, the "Titans" of ancient lore were from the Pleiadian system, and some of them are today living inside some of the planets in our solar system, the closest one being Venus.

Slavery: A Learned Behavior

Now, the serpent race. The serpent race has apparently been here a very long time, long before the genetic experimentation by different extraterrestrial groups took place. As Sitchin mentions, these genetic experiments on the planetary population had as an objective the creation of a slave labor force [to work the mines, etc.] because the extraterrestrials themselves would not do hard labor. Now, where have we heard of that before? Our own creation of slave labor, which emulated what the extraterrestrials had done before, to us.

According to Morenae and Vissaeus, the first genetic melding between a human species and the primate race occurred 28,731,007 B.C. That's how far back they began experimenting, and there were many prototypes.

All our concepts involving language and social structures have all been introduced to us by extraterrestrials, both "good" and "bad". Our ancestors were taught these structures.

According to Morenae and Vissaeus, "Adam and Eve" were not the "first man and woman" at all. In fact, they were not even individuals. They were tribal races.

Controlling the Population: Lace the Water Supply

I asked Morenae how the extraterrestrials were able to have such control over the population. He said primarily technology, but he also said that the single most important race as primitive as your own, is through the water supply. You have to have water.

[Val Valerian note: this is the prime reason that fluorides, which affect the hippocampus in the brain, are added to the water supply -- to reduce resistance to tyranny. Study the psycho-behavioral functions of the hippocampus!]

Atlantis: Origin of the Illuminati Philosophy

Over time, civilizations came and went, imploding in on themselves. The civilization of Atlantis was one of these. The "priesthood" that survived the sinking of Atlantis became known as the "Ones from Nauga". According to Morenae, the descendants of this ancient Atlantean priesthood are known popularly as the "Illuminati". We know that those philosophical concepts exist today. Unfortunately, the main concept is that "the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many". I seriously have a problem with that.

Human War and Defense Orientation Draining the Planet: On Fear

Morenae told me this in 1991:

"In your time and space, the expression of fear will be a challenge to you all. For any of you to be in fear, you lack a clear understanding of most situations. We have observed that your world is at a most confused point in your history and evolvement. We understand your remarkable drive and commitment to being alive. We, however, are not in understanding of your need to create tools of death, expecting that they will keep all in a space of understanding and peace. We observe that you build, create and plan in a space of fear, not in a consciousness of love, so your "defense positions" of institutions that create and employ, are always in a state of unraveling and disintegration.

We share this because they drain you and your earth of energy, both spiritual and material. Fear always has to feed. Fear does not create itself. The fear we observe is difficult to understand. It depletes you of your focus on the original intent, and is a very secretive energy. Fear withholds love. This is most saddening to see and feel. How can you share understanding and love, when so many of you are withholding from self and each other? Please feel the words we as a race are trying to express to your race. One of your original intentions in creating your physical reality is the idea of creating and learning to manipulate and express yourselves through physicality using your consciousness.

It is your consciousness that the Is-ness has given you, and in fact all things that bear spirit. It is this gift that has been clouded, and most importantly, clouded by fear. This creation is completely irrational to whom all of you are. We have come to understand that withholding love only creates perpetual disintegration. We have discovered in our own galaxy the ruins of vast races, achieving recognition, that have ceased to exist. They destroyed themselves simply because they withheld love, and drained the very life force out of their intent, and imploded and destroyed their self-creation.

The first projection of fear is denial, an emotion of incredible restriction. Denial and fear result in the complete opposite of the reality it claims to be. Fear is based, from our perspective, on a misunderstanding of ones own worth and security. We have discussed this amongst ourselves, about your race, and we have formed a perspective based on your history. Many of your religions have helped and hurt this process. Many of your worlds beliefs have many convinced they are "simple creatures of nature". Your science teaches that your physical form is a "pool of chemicals thrown together by accident", so that you are all "an accident", living meaningless lives of chance..."

[Val Valerian note: accidental evolution is one of the foundations of Darwinian thought, upon which present day materialist science is based. It has no actual validity].

"You fear a 'God' whom a book says is a "loving God" who will throw you into an abyss for making a mistake. Many on your world have come to understand that in your world fear, and the idea of fear, is your enemy. All of you struggle between understanding and fear, reason and fear. This struggle is in no way predetermined. Our perception is that this struggle will (either) lead your world to peace and responsibility, or to extinction as a race. This would grieve us."

[Val Valerian note: Again, the concept that "life is a struggle, each against all" is a component of Darwinian thought, so completely integrated into our cultural science and sociology. It is a dysfunctional belief system perpetuated on the population.]

I would like to share something else with you. This is something by Vissaeus:

"Create another domain of knowing, communicating and being. In other words, the domain of generating your intent needs to be more distinct. Your "physics", as you call it, is a good example of this calling-forth. There have been men on your planet who have called for new domains of thinking that never (before) existed. They invented it, and they didn't fantasize about it. They didn't pretend. They literally created a new context for what you now call your "physics". Your humanity is strong with these kinds of examples. No being, however, makes the distinction that this is what they are.

I would like to give you an example. Your concept of "human rights" was something that did not exist. You Terrans did not have any "rights", only your "Kings" and your "priests" had rights. So, (the concept of) "human rights" was created from nothing. You created language for it, you communicated it, and this communication had power, because it was full of intent. It has the power not only to represent and to invoke, but also to literally bring it into being. This is what your races need to do in order to clearly know yourselves, and transform the quality of your lives on your Earth."

"Truth, on your planet, is a filtered experience, understood only through your personal belief systems or concepts. We have discovered that everyone on your world has a different "truth", and there have been "cultures of truth" in every society and in every civilization. It has kept a "continuum of light" here on your planet. The "truth" is not told to everyone, because everyone, we feel, is not ready to hear it. There are some who have, and would take your "truths" and put them in a "box", and then keep their lives detached from it.

The problem is that much of your mankind is taking these "truths" personally, instead of seeing it as an "objective truth, or reality". They would take this truth and make it very egotistical, in order to glorify themselves and others. And, as we perceive, and through our own experience, truth is not meant for that at all. They would then create a religion or some kind of dogma again, something that they would remain detached from, yet glorify in the eyes of others."

What does that sound like to you?

"Truth has nothing to do with your Earth religions. The secret, wondrous nature of spirit has nothing to do with your religions. You are all multidimensional. Think that way! In order to think that way, you should turn the way you understand and perceive yourselves, and life, inside out, and make all of your belief systems abstract and not personal. Because of your personal attachments, you have cut yourselves off from universal knowledge. You have to have an objective mind to gain true knowledge. You have all cultivated the attitude of a "subjective self".

[Val Valerian note: The cultivation of the "subjective self" is what cultural media, advertising, body identification and other mentalities are all about, aren't they?]

"The Is-ness does not (presently) live inside all of you, and if you won't conceive of, or believe in, your own divinity, how are you going to make the leap into the next levels? How are you going to attract and magnetize true unconditional respect, and love, to you, without thinking in this way? If you do not participate, you are only a spectator. You will not participate in the plan for growth and evolution in our galaxy, and most importantly, not truly experience it yourself."

They're really wise, and there is a lot of wisdom here, on our planet. Everyone has it, and I don't know why it is not being taught. Common sense. Now, the word warrior originally meant "one who is not afraid of being himself", not "one who slashes and cuts", as we think it means today. Being confrontational. We have a lot of problems on the planet. As Einstein said, you can't fix the problems using the same kind of thinking that created them.

So, we have to make some changes, and none of us can do it by ourselves. Collectively, we can. We can do it right away. I wanted to just read a couple more things, and then do some questions. I wanted to read to you about their concept of leadership.


Dictated by Morenae to Alex Collier, March 11, 1995

"What is important this present time in your world is to know the pioneer leaders of your past who greatly influenced your world today are removed from the hearts of the people today. The leaders of today, this present moment, should share and embrace the same faith, philosophy and objective as the people. They, the leaders, should thereby raise each of the governed to his or own level, according to the principles of consistency from beginning to end.

These mistakes, as we have studied and observed, are that throughout your history, hero-worship and fame-seeking has risen to the point of the idea your leaders are great and the general populace is ignorant and powerless. This concept in your country contradicts a true democracy and is wrong. So it shall be that individuals must and will awaken and unite voluntarily. Some will be artists, scientists, and others from all walks of life. They will become teaching leaders of the people with whom they are working directly and will teach all men and women to be leaders. At the same time, it is also important that those who support them must become leaders also.

To be a leader in your world, we would only suggest that only the requirements be simple and evolve from the real essence of mankind. Leaders should be in absolute faith of their humanhood, declaring always, the greatness of God and self-responsibility. They should also have a strong sense of responsibility for themselves and those that they teach. A leader should always love his people, protect them, and encourage them warmly into their own power and humanhood. The leaders sense of responsibility will deepen by his affection of his role as teacher and father or mother.

When a leader lacks mercy or compassion, they will be self-serving and irresponsible. And a leader/teacher should always strive and be broad-minded. He should always try to be capable of understanding his member's needs, and individual situations, and putting himself in their place. A leader should practice gentleness and forbearance, and be determined to hear the problems and teach guidance and self-determination to any person to establish self-faith and happiness.

A leader also needs to be impartial. He must not be swayed by his own feelings or self-serving considerations. Always eager to give a fair hearing to reasonable suggestions, but firm in protesting self-serving goals or mistaken views, even to his seniors.

Leaders should be careful of those that flatter them, as not to cater to their personal agendas. Leaders should cultivate the sense to spot cheap tricks, lies and sneakiness. He must also put the right person in the right place and be courageous about it. The idea is to build long-term integrity in all aspects of life and leadership. Always acknowledge the inconspicuous efforts of others, as all souls are part and contribute to the whole.

Your leaders should also have self-confidence, courage and decisiveness. Leaders must believe in their ability to protect their members and help them advance to self-responsibility so all may become determined. Those persons who have done the inner work on the path of being a true human being, acquire wisdom and are true leaders. They always have faith in themselves. Those who walk the path of heart will discover that through faith emerges wisdom. And this same faith enables the leader to employ his wisdom effectively in all situations.

Courage is indispensable to the leader. Leadership is no place for cowardice. Always strive to advance wisdom and courage. Building an honest and healthy race of human beings means producing a world of leaders of the true law of oneness. Development of faith, integrity and character is both the starting point and the end result. This will make all people capable human beings.

Every child born in your world is a new opportunity to build and honest and real world. Leaders need not criticize each error on the part of their members or staff. A leader should praise them for what they have done well and capably. There will be other people who will criticize. Being a leader or becoming a leader does not mean you have perfect faith or wisdom. These are life-long pursuits. Being a leader is to develop people, and to help people into self-responsibility, spiritual maturity and the freedom to cultivate voluntary introspection. Mankind can develop remarkably, even under adverse circumstances. When Earth awakens to her mission and towards her great objective, we will have full faith than you all will be successful, and a source of great pride to all of us."

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Now, the "law of consistency" is something that they teach their children. What they do is realize that whatever they create, they leave to the next generation to carry forth. It also helps them, because when they cross over out of their physicality and reincarnate, they have their memory intact, and they know who they are. So, there is a continuation of knowledge and personality. We, for some reason, don't experience this. Yet.

In Andromedan society, the oldest and the wisest teach the young everything they know. The children, when they move into adulthood, know more than the parents. Nobody has a problem with this. Here, on earth, we do just the opposite. High school graduates can't even write their name or read. We have to do something here.

Here's something else from Moranae:

"On your world, conditioning is the voice so often spoken. It is not by the words or thoughts that are spoken that reveal to us, the soul. In our perception, it is through man's silence that we come to know you best. Human beings on your world will become blind, if they continue to walk as the shadow of their own enlightenment. Your race is so lonely. Your loneliness, we perceive, is a lack of responding to your environment. In all things, the law of consistency creates balance. Remember your intent, whether honorable or fraudulent. Truly, your acts must justify your actions. No thing of importance or living essence can be created unless there is intent. We refer to this as pre-existing. These things become reality in your world with the ingredient of time. Tell your race to seek the honorable within themselves, and not the wrong in others. Be at one."

Another time, I was out there, calling them, and fell asleep. I woke up, and Morenae was standing over me. He said these words to me, then turned around and left:

"We have become aware that a great majority of your races are unaware of philosophy and logic, understanding and knowledge of their own soul. We observe many Terrans seeing and feeling what others have told them or have spoken. Has your race lost the self-awareness of your own discovery?"